作為一名印度人，現在移民美國值得嗎？（1）
Is it worth living in the United States as an Indian immigrant, with so many limitations in terms of immigration and business? India and the US do not share good bilateral relations with Indian citizens, either.
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網友：2003年，我作為一名大一本科生（第一年）來到美國，并在這里生活了十多年。我想先說一件事。生活在基礎設施良好的工業化國家會讓人上癮，尤其是對印度和其他基礎設施普遍較差的國家的人來說。如果你想尋求更多的舒適，并且每天都不被交通、電力和供水的壓力所困擾，我建議你從印度移民到美國或任何其他發達國家......
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Is it worth living in the United States as an Indian immigrant, with so many limitations in terms of immigration and business? India and the US do not share good bilateral relations with Indian citizens, either.
作為一名印度人，現在移民美國值得嗎？
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Lives in The United States of America (2003–present)upxed
Originally Answered: Is it worth living in United States as an Indian Immigrant?
I came to America as a freshman undergrad (1st year) in 2003, and have lived here for more than a decade.
I will say one thing before anything else. Living in an industrialized country with good infrastructure is addictive, especially for Indian and other countries with generally poor infrastructure. If you seek more comfort, and are bothered daily by stresses of transport, electricity and water supply, I would recommend migrating from India, to America or any other developed place.
If you are not bothered by India’s infrastructure deficiencies, situation becomes a bit more complicated.
2003年，我作為一名大一本科生（第一年）來到美國，并在這里生活了十多年。
我想先說一件事。生活在基礎設施良好的工業化國家會讓人上癮，尤其是對印度和其他基礎設施普遍較差的國家的人來說。如果你想尋求更多的舒適，并且每天都不被交通、電力和供水的壓力所困擾，我建議你從印度移民到美國或任何其他發達國家。
如果你不為印度的基礎設施不足而煩惱的話，情況就會變得有點復雜。
So if you seek intellectual and financial growth, the US specifically is the place to be, much superior than even other developed regions.
美國在許多方面（如果不是在大多數方面）都是世界上最先進的經濟體，如果你是一個聰明、勤奮的人，那么為世界上最先進的消費市場開發產品和服務（無論在智力上還是在金錢上）是非常有好處的。如果你不是為了它的消費市場，它的大學也提供了無與倫比的前沿知識生產網絡，并且吸引了其他積極性高、技術嫻熟的研究人員/學生，與他們合作是一種榮幸。
因此，如果你尋求的是知識和金錢，美國尤其合適，在這方面甚至比其他發達地區優越得多。
It is usually not possible for an Indian to build a business here in their 20s and early 30s.
So in short, unless you want complete freedom to take entrepreneurial initiatives, America is a great place to live, work and raise a family.
如果你想創業，如果你想創造財富而不是成為一名滿足的員工，我建議你在印度努力。印度人在這里成為企業家并非不可能，但由于簽證限制和缺乏文化背景，成功的可能性較小。在美國的印度裔企業家往往集中在科技領域，而且往往年齡在35歲至40歲之間，因為他們通常只有在獲得綠卡后才能進行這種身份轉換。
對于一個20多歲和30出頭的印度人來說，在這里創業通常是不可能的。
因此，簡而言之，除非你想完全自由地采取創業行動，否則美國是一個生活、工作和養育家庭的好地方。
On further reflection, and after seeing this video by a fellow India to US undergrader, I think there is an important reason to try one’s luck in India in one’s twenties.
Th ability to bounce around and figure out what you want to do in life.
Tenties are the time to explore, not just the world as a tourist, but also oneself by trying out different career paths. One needs to experience and understand the impact of different kinds of careers, the culture and work life of which industry suits them best and offers them the life opportunities they want.
This is practically impossible if one moves to the US on a work visa for two reasons:
Even in the best possible case, it is unlikely you will get a green card before the age of 28–29. By this time, you are almost through the decade of exploration.
Your friend circle in the US is bound to be much narrower in scope (same kind of jobs/industry) and scale (different reference points from the majority of the population) than in India. More often than not, it is your network which will open the doors to different job opportunities.
附錄：
經過進一步思考，在觀看了一位印度同學給美國大學生的視頻后，我認為在20多歲的時候在印度碰碰運氣有一個重要的原因，即：
有能力在生活中找到自己想要做的事情。
二十歲是探索世界的時候，不僅僅是作為一個旅游者，也是通過嘗試不同的職業道路來探索自己的時候。人們需要體驗和理解不同職業、文化和工作生活的影響，哪個行業最適合他們，并為他們提供他們想要的生活機會。
如果一個人想持工作簽證移居美國，這實際上是不可能的，原因有二： 即使在最好的情況下，你也不太可能在28-29歲之前獲得綠卡。到這個時候，你幾乎已經走過了十年的探索期。
你在美國的朋友圈在范圍（相同的工作/行業）和規模（與大多數人口的不同參考點）上肯定會比印度窄得多。通常情況下，您的人脈將為不同的工作機會打開大門。 ------------
Founder at Trishulent India (2014–present)，Lives in Mumbai, Maharashtra, India2012–present
Originally Answered: Is it worth living in United States as an Indian Immigrant?
I would say it's not worth living in US for an Indian immigrant anymore than compared to the 1980s-90s. India has a lot more opportunities now after capitalist reforms were created in 1991.
It's possible to be rich and have a private enterprise in India today. It wasn't possible earlier. I know a lot of people like me returned to India as you could expand your family business and make more money than in US.
In the US, Indians are minorities and its tough to climb the corporate ladder. Unless you have zero opportunities in India, its not advisable to migrate to US anymore.
我想說，對于一個印度移民來說，與20世紀80-90年代相比，在美國生活是不值得的。1991年實行資本主義改革后，印度現在有了更多的機會。
今天，你在印度有可能變得富有并擁有一家私營企業，而這在以前是不可能的。我認識很多像我這樣回到了印度的人，因為在印度你可以擴大你的家族企業，賺的錢比在美國還多。
在美國，印度人是少數族裔，很難在公司往上爬。除非你在印度沒有任何機會，否則我不建議你移民到美國。
Kalyan
Bachelor of Engineering from India (Graduated 2000)upxed
Originally Answered: Is it worth living in United States as an Indian Immigrant?
Everybody has different experiences in the US based on their circumstances.
What is worthy for me, might be unworthy for you, so it is a personal experience(unless you experience it, you will not know)
My experience(s) have been different.
(1) Capitalistic country where hard work and dedication generally pays off .
(2) Opportunities galore, if you are willing to learn new things and put in the needed effort.
(3) Independent people, independent thinking, they value "self" a lot (so even your own kids are their own selves, you cannot bully them to do it your way), they do everything on their own and don't expect any help from anybody(generally).
(4) One of the world's best , for fulfilling all of modern life necessities
(5) Despite what the various newspapers highlight: People don't shoot each other in day light, Racism is rare(far far better compared to India and even other developed nations like UK, Australia, Europe)
(6)Many friends who lived in other Nations outside USA felt much more independent and happy in here compared to Europe, Australia and other nations.
(7)Generally very safe environment, unless you want to (a)Visit shady areas (b)Fight and invite trouble with others (c)Unlucky(being in the wrong place at the wrong time) (d)Encounter one of the few racist morons around.
(8)Social and Family life: Indians generally like to live around a lot of other Indians, so they create a mini India for themselves and live happily(Indian Food ,Movies, Shopping and what not), We have some places in US where you will feel like you are in India and not in US (freedom to create your own country far far away from India:)).
每個人在美國都有不同的經歷。
對我來說值得的東西，可能對你來說是不值得的，所以這和個人經歷有關（除非你經歷過，否則你不會知道）。
我的經歷有所不同。
（1） 美國是一個資本主義國家，努力工作和奉獻總會有回報。
（2） 如果你愿意學習新事物并投入所需的努力，就會有很多機會。
（3） 美國人很獨立，他們會獨立思考，他們非常重視“自我”（所以即使你自己的孩子也是他們自己的，你也不能用你的方式欺負他們），他們做任何事情都是靠自己，（通常）不會指望任何人的幫助。
（4） 美國是世界上擁有用于滿足所有現代生活的必需品的最好的國家之一。
（5） 盡管各大報紙都著重渲染，但人們不會在光天化日下相互射擊，種族主義也很少見（遠比印度甚至英國、澳大利亞、歐洲等其他發達國家好得多）。
（6） 與歐洲、澳大利亞和其他國家相比，許多生活在美國以外其他國家的朋友在這里感到更加獨立和快樂。
（7） 一般來說，環境非常安全，除非你想（a）去陰暗的地方，（b）和別人打架鬧事，（c）運氣不好（在錯誤的時間出現在錯誤的地方），（d）遇到周圍為數不多的種族主義白癡。
（8） 社交和家庭生活：印度人通常喜歡與許多其他印度人生活在一起，因此他們會為自己創造一個小印度社區并過著快樂的生活（印度食物、電影、購物等等），在美國有一些地方，你會覺得自己是在印度而不是在美國（可以在遠離印度的地方自由創建自己的國家：）。
All the above are specific to India, as already mentioned, US is a different country and different culture, you need to give it some time and be a part of it, rather than trying to find India in US.
Final Word: US is a different country, with different mindset and different set of values.
US is very welcoming of all other cultures and tries its best (and also learns and improves in the process).
Comparing and expecting it to become India is very unfair (because US is different)
Settling and living in US takes some time, but once you put in the hard work , you should generally be happy.
還有一件事值得一提，即如果你的父母在印度，你不能說因為我想念我的父母，因此美國很糟糕，因為這是你自己做出的選擇，不關美國的事。說我想念“印度人民”、印度路邊的食物以及與印度相關的一切也是一樣的道理。
以上所有這些內容都是針對印度的，正如前面提到的，美國是一個不同的國家，擁有不同的文化，你需要給它一些時間，成為它的一部分，而不是試圖在美國找到印度。
結束語：美國是一個不同的國家，有著和印度不同的心態和不同的價值觀。
美國非常歡迎所有其他文化，并盡最大努力做到最好（同時也在這個過程中學習和提高）。
把它和印度做比較并期望它成為印度是非常不公平的（因為美國是不同的）。
在美國定居和生活需要一些時間，但一旦你付出了努力，你通常會感到快樂。
The following aspects seem to be highlighted by everyone when they want to highlight how bad the US is, but he reality is very different,
(1)Guns and gun laws: Lived almost 20 years here, yet to see a shooting, only saw 2 people carry guns (lived in the countryside, big cities and also mid sized cities). As mentioned earlier everybody's experiences are different and this issue is very trivial (my personal perspective)
(2)Racism: It is far far less compared to other nations in the world (even compared to India), everybody is treated equally, If you feel you are treated badly(and you have valid proofs) , there is a very fair and swift Justice system to take care of that.
(3)Cost of Living: The quality of life cannot be compared to India, In addition US is a capitalistic society, you generally get good quality services and need to pay for those (rarely subsidized for anything).
(4)Vacation Policies: Different organizations different policies (government mandate or rule doesn't mean you have zero vacation), generally you will at-least have 15 days of paid vacation in most of the US organizations (context: Govt organizations, Technology Sector, Defense Contractors)
(5)Healthcare and so on: No system in the world is perfect, even though people malign the US healthcare system, I consider it far far better than the Indian system.
No healthcare provider in the US can refuse a patient in emergency because he/she has no money/insurance. Very high quality treatment will be provided. In most cases the costs are written off as losses to the provider .
(6)Kids in USA not caring for parents(not listening to parents): Everybody is treated equally (even month's old babies), they are encouraged to be independent. USA encourages independence, never depend on others for your needs. For your old life start saving in 401K, IRA and other retirement vehicles. Start planning ahead. Social Security provides a little help for retirement planning but not whole. Expecting kids to take care of you in old life is fine as long as the kid wants to, but it is not something that has to be forced upon the kid.
-------基于其他答案的一些想法：
當每個人都想強調美國有多糟糕時，似乎都會強調以下幾個方面，但現實卻大不相同，
（1） 槍支和槍支法：在這里生活了將近20年，我還沒見過槍戰，（在農村、大城市和中等城市）我只看過2個人攜帶槍支。如前所述，每個人的經歷都是不同的，這個問題一點都不重要（我個人的觀點）。
（2） 種族主義：與世界上其他國家相比（甚至與印度相比）要少得多，每個人都受到平等對待，如果你覺得自己受到了惡劣的對待（并且你有有效的證據），有一個非常公平和迅速的司法系統來處理這一問題。
（3） 生活成本：生活質量不能拿來與印度相比，此外，美國是一個資本主義社會，你通常會得到優質服務，但你需要為這些服務付錢（很少有任何補貼）。
（4） 假期政策：不同的組織有不同的政策（政府授權或規定并不意味著你沒有假期），一般來說，在大多數美國組織中，你至少有15天的帶薪假期（政府組織、技術部門、國防承包商）。
（5） 醫療保健等等：世界上沒有一個體系是完美的，盡管人們對美國的醫療保健體系進行了很多惡意中傷，但我認為它遠遠好于印度的體系。
在美國，沒有任何一個醫療保健提供商可以因為他/她沒有錢/保險而拒絕緊急情況下的患者，而且他們將提供非常高質量的護理。在大多數情況下，這些費用被作為醫療保健提供商的損失而注銷。
（6） 美國的孩子不關心父母（不聽父母的）：在美國，每個人都被平等對待（甚至是一個月大的嬰兒），他們被鼓勵獨立。美國鼓勵獨立，永遠不要依賴別人滿足你的需要。社會保障會為退休計劃提供了一些幫助，但不是全部。在過去的生活中，只要孩子愿意，期待孩子照顧你是可以的，但這并不是必須強加給孩子的事情。
Anil Maheshwari
Worked at Maharishi University of Management
Originally Answered: Is it worth living in United States as an Indian Immigrant?
Yes and No.
I have lived here in the US in many cities, for over 25 years. Many points have been already mentioned in this beautiful and informative thread. Here are a couple of net new ideas.
For women this country (US) is safer and more egalitarian. If you have many women in your family, they will appreciate that.
If your children were born here and grew up here, this is the only real home they know. Then the choice becomes: live away from children or from parents. I think statistics will show that people choose to stay on with the children in the US.
The opportunities here are real. Competition is also real tough. (A lot of this ethos has now already spread to India and other countries too). It can be very stressful. It is a ruthlessly materialistic society. Gotta meditate or somehow take care of stress, or it will kill you. Medical system here is dysfunctional. Get into yoga and/or meditation.
Freedom is fantastic. You alone however are responsible for and care for yourself. Personal Support systems can be built here, but they are usually thin, and mostly based on friendships and less on family relationships. People will forget you in a couple of weeks, once you are no more. So retiring here or not is still a difficult question (point #2 above).
是也不是。
我在美國的許多城市生活了 25 年以上。在這個美麗而內容豐富的帖子中已經提到了許多要點，以下有幾個全新的想法。 對女性來說，這個國家（美國）更安全、更平等。如果你家里有很多女人，她們會很感激你的。
如果你的孩子在這里出生并長大，這里將是他們唯一知道的真正的家。然后，選擇會變成：遠離孩子或遠離父母。我認為統計數據將表明，人們會選擇留在美國的孩子們身邊。
這里的機會是真實存在的，競爭也非常激烈（這種風氣現在已經蔓延到了印度和其他國家）。這可能會很有壓力，因為這是一個無情的物質主義社會。你必須冥想或以某種方式處理壓力，否則它會殺死你。這里的醫療系統功能失調，還是多練練瑜伽和/或冥想吧。
自由很美妙。然而，你需要對自己負責和照顧自己。這里存在個人支持系統，但它們通常很薄弱，主要基于友誼，較少基于家庭關系。一旦你不在了，人們會在幾周內就忘記你。因此，是否決定在這里退休仍然是一個難題（參考上文第2點）。 -------------
Lived in The United States of America (2017–2020)
Originally Answered: Is it worth living in United States as an Indian Immigrant?
Question: Is it worth living in the United States as an Indian immigrant?
It is all up to each and every individual. One would say, ‘Sure, yes’, another might say, ‘Hell No’, yet another might say, ‘I don’t know. Maybe I’ll be here for sometime but will move on later’, and all of these answers are right to them.
There are some points you mention in the Question details that I don’t agree with.
US I believe is one of the countries Indians can find reasonably comfortable. US and India are both multicultural countries. In US people from different countries bring in the cultural variety whereas in India people of different states do that.
Both are highly populous countries. Both are large democracies. The type of democracy followed in the two countries are different though.
US-India relations was not good for about 5 decades but improved in the last couple of decades. It is still not the best of relationships but nevertheless its definitely a good relationship.
I believe among the many countries in the world, US is one of the best countries for Indians to live. Of course it can never be like India but I do believe its a good choice.
I can never reconcile with the 2nd amendment of US constitution (individual gun ownership rights). Whereas many Americans are highly protective of it.
As far as I’m concerned, US is definitely worthy of living for an Indian. However if you don’t agree with this viewpoint that’s right too. There is one feeling many Indians feel even after many years of stay here - there is nothing like home!
這完全取決于每一個人。一個人會說‘當然，是的’，另一個人可能會說‘該死的，不’，還有一個人可能會說“我不知道。也許我會在這里呆一段時間，但晚一點會搬走”，所有這些答案對他們來說都是正確的。
我不同意你在問題細節中提到的一些觀點。 我相信美國是印度人可以找到的比較舒適的國家之一，因為美國和印度都是多文化國家。在美國，來自不同國家的人帶來了文化的多樣性，而在印度，來自不同邦的人帶來了文化的多樣性。
兩國都是人口眾多的國家，兩者都是大型民主國家。然而，兩國遵循的民主類型不同。
美印關系在過去的 5 年里不好，但在過去的幾十年里有所改善。雖然這仍然不是最好的國際關系，但這絕對是一段很好的關系。
我相信，在世界上許多國家中，美國是最適合印度人生活的國家之一。雖然它永遠不會像印度那樣，但我相信這是一個很好的選擇。
我永遠無法接受美國憲法第二修正案（個人槍支所有權）。然而，許多美國人對此高度擁護。 就我而言，美國絕對值得印度人在那里生活。然而，如果你不同意這個觀點，那也是對的。因為即使在這里呆了很多年，許多印度人仍有一種感覺——沒有什么比家更棒了！
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Nilan-jan Bhattacharya
Lived in The United States of America，Lives in Australia2017–present
Originally Answered: Is it worth living in United States as an Indian Immigrant?
The struggle immigrants face is with the lengthy immigration process. However, if you are really good, this is a non issue. Many talented Indians join large companies in the U.S. and despite the long process, they can enjoy all the benefits of US citizens.
I don't think India-US relations matter. Indians (and others) have all rights and opportunity as US citizens (and more). Indians also enjoy a positive bias (for the most part).
Given the previous statements, the US offers opportunities like no other country for hobbies, interests, business related networking, technical knowledge, education, travel. Many Indians never realize how to take advantage of these opportunities.
There are some disadvantages to living in the U.S. - the distance from India, visiting older parents having a difficult time moving around on their own or forming friends and in general cultural/social struggles for first generation immigrants.
移民面臨的難題是漫長的移民過程。然而，如果你真的很棒，這不是問題。許多有才華的印度人加入了美國的大公司，盡管過程漫長，但他們還是可以享受美國公民的所有權利。
我認為印美關系無關緊要。印度人（和其他人）擁有作為美國公民的所有權利和機會。（大部分）印度人也存在偏見。
鑒于之前的聲明，美國在愛好、興趣、與商業相關的網絡、技術知識、教育和旅游方面提供了其他國家無法比擬的機會，許多印度人從未意識到如何利用這些機會。
生活在美國也有一些不利因素，比如距離印度較遠，難以探望年邁的父母，很難獨自走動或結交朋友，以及第一代移民所面臨的的文化/社會斗爭等。