網友討論:如果俄羅斯想的話，它的軍隊能拿下日本嗎？（2020年）
Could Russian military take Japan if it wanted to? (2020)
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討論2020年的俄羅斯，是否有足夠的軍事能力拿下日本？
正文翻譯
俄羅斯和日本，都是世界上的軍事強國，那么，以2020年俄羅斯的軍事實力，在不考慮其他國家參戰的情況下，俄羅斯是否有能力搞定日本呢？
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The answer is no ! There r American military base in Japan… declaring war on Japan = declaring war on USA ??????
答案是否定的！美國在日本有軍事基地，對日本宣戰 = 對美國宣戰。
Just nuke
用核武器就可以了。
Yes in one day!
是的，在一天之內（拿下日本）！
I love you Japan
From Russia
我愛你日本，
來自俄羅斯。
Russia has no territorial claims against Japan.
Japan's Prime Minister Kishida though just recently called Russia's Kuril islands - "territories to which Japanese sovereignty will expand". In other words, Japan's official political leader is threatening Russia's territory with invasion.
俄羅斯對日本沒有領土要求。
日本首相岸田文雄最近稱俄羅斯的千島群島為“日本主權將擴展到的領土”。換句話說，日本官方的政治領導人威脅要入侵俄羅斯領土。
Japan and Russia are both pretty powerful nations but in very different ways.
日本和俄羅斯都是非常強大的國家，只是強大的地方不同。
Ukraine likes this video
烏克蘭人喜歡這個視頻。
The Russians would get shredded up by the Japanese it would be a disaster for them without using there nukes
俄羅斯人會被日本人撕碎，如果不使用核武器的話，對俄羅斯人來說將是一場災難。
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Russia is a paper bear...all they’ve got is nukes and would lose any conventional war...
俄羅斯是一只紙熊.....他們擁有的，只有核武器了，他們會輸掉任何的常規戰爭....
It would be the second time Japan would sink Russian navy
這將是日本第二次擊沉俄羅斯海軍。
Let's hope no side is foolish enough to start Russo Japan war. Japan is no push over even if Russia decide to attack bcoz in a conventional war Japan would be able to hold its own country. The only way to destroy Japan would be to nuke it but that would be already WW3.
希望沒有哪一方愚蠢到發動俄日戰爭。即使俄羅斯決定進攻，日本也不會輕易屈服，因為在常規戰爭中，日本有能力控制自己的國家。摧毀日本的唯一方法，是使用核武器，但那已經是第三次世界大戰了。
I doubt Russia have enough money to raise a war against Japan.
我懷疑俄羅斯是否有足夠的錢對日本發動戰爭。
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I think Japan would eventually capture Russia or at least retain 20% of Russian territory without further advance Russia would stalemate and not seek to recover lost lands. Nukes involved would make Japans hopes Sink to the drain
我認為日本最終會占領俄羅斯，或者至少保留（占據）20%的俄羅斯領土，如果日本在占據了部分俄羅斯領土后，不再進一步的推進，那俄羅斯（會和日本）陷入僵持，俄羅斯將不再尋求收復失地。不過使用核武器的話，將使日本的希望化為烏有。
Russians are way too slow and old to threaten anybody. The Japanese would turn their navy into a huge artificial reef.
俄羅斯人太慢太老了，威脅不了任何人。日本人會把他們的海軍變成一個巨大的人工礁。
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I want to see a battle between f 15 and su 35 it would be fantastic
我想看一場F15和SU35之間的戰斗，那將是非常棒的。
In no time, Japan will be crushed to powder. The Japanese pride gone to dust.
日本很快就會被碾成粉末，日本人的驕傲將化為烏有。
Not a chance in hell. Russia doesn’t have the logistical capabilities to transport the large number of troops and equipment to invade Japan. Japan would have the advantage of being on the defensive. Japan also has a stronger navy, especially technologically. Japan has more modern aircraft, too.
絕對不可能。俄羅斯沒有足夠的后勤能力，來運送大量的軍隊和裝備入侵日本。日本將具有防守的優勢。日本也擁有更強大的海軍，特別是在技術方面。日本也有更現代化的飛機。
In short, no. Russia has only one carrier wich is extremelly old, while japan has two carriers now with f-35 ( missing out in the specs in this video, both are larger than UK:s older carriers)
and a much larger navy and army than you think they would , all with hightec whereas Very little is hightech in russia. This does not mean the outcome depends on tech bit basically it is a big island with loads of guns so ships wont be so usable, and that japan still has an impressive navy although less than the imperial amounts. All tanks in japan are modern whereas russia only have a handful new and the rest is upgraded old, the armata is in so low numbers it wont make any difference to a fight even if it would work ..wich it has to prove in battle first.
簡短地說，不可能！俄羅斯只有一艘非常老舊的航母，而日本現在有兩艘可以搭載F35的航母（這個視頻里把它漏掉了，兩艘航母都比英國的老航母大）。
他們的海軍和陸軍，比你想象的要強大得多，全都是高科技的，而俄羅斯的高科技含量卻很低。這并不意味著結果將取決于技術，基本上，這是一個大的島嶼，有大量的火炮，所以艦艇不會那么有用，日本仍然有令人印象深刻的海軍，盡管比帝國（時代）的數量少。日本所有的坦克都是現代的，而俄羅斯只有少量的新坦克，其余的都是升級的舊坦克。阿瑪塔坦克（T14）的數量太少了，即使它能用，也不會對戰斗產生任何影響，而它的能力，也得先在戰場上證明。
Why talking about troops if it can be done with one nuke
如果一枚核彈就能搞定，為什么還要討論軍隊。
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Might different story if Russia attacked first not Japan
如果首先進攻的是俄羅斯，而不是日本，情況可能會有所不同。
Japan got their ass kicked by Russia in Manchuria during WW2 and now japan is 10 times even weaker compared to WW2 Japan.
二戰期間，日本在滿洲被俄羅斯打了一頓，現在的日本比二戰時的日本還要弱10倍。
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rusia could attempt but they would not stand long enough.... War means money. It is not just a matter of having tanks and planes... The logistic behind war is huge and costly.
俄羅斯可以嘗試，但他們堅持不了多久....戰爭意味著金錢。這不僅僅是擁有坦克和飛機的問題...戰爭背后的后勤是巨大和昂貴的。
There are about 125,507,472 Japanse vs 141,722,208 Russians. the GDP per capita of japan is $42,900 as of 2017, while in Russia, the GDP per capita is $27,900 as of 2017. So the population is equal, put the economics favor japan. Now for sure war would cripple Japanse economie more then Russia. But still i think Japan will have greater spending power, they will offset greater weapon production of Russia with purchases abroad!
日本約有125507472人，俄羅斯約有141722208人。截至2017年，日本的人均GDP為4.29萬美元，而俄羅斯的人均GDP為2.79萬美元。所以人口規模相等，加上經濟因素的話，日本有優勢?，F在可以肯定的是，戰爭對日本經濟的打擊會超過俄羅斯。但我仍然認為日本將有更大的購買力，他們將通過購買海外武器來抵消俄羅斯的武器生產！
Invading Russia is a bad mistake. No one can defeat mother Russia.
入侵俄羅斯是個嚴重的錯誤。沒有人能打敗俄羅斯。
No war. 50 % of Japan land will diappear in the next 50 years. Due to sea level. And by the years 2100 Japan wil completely gone.
不會有戰爭。因為海平面（上升），日本50%的土地將在未來50年消失，到2100年，日本將完全消失。
No. No. No Russia take Japan with in 30 days. Japan has USA and Western world backing.
不，俄羅斯不可能在30天內拿下日本，日本有美國和西方世界的支持。
Godzilla would play the tie breaker.
哥斯拉將決定勝負。
It depends on the willingness to fight. Although Japan is one of the highest GDP country and most advance tech. Many people underestimate Russia that their tech was 20-30 yrs outdated this is entirely not true. Remember Germans in 1942 and Japan in 1939 underestimated Russia look what happened to them. In Russia grade schoolers are already taught & trained how to handle guns & military stuff while the west busy recognizing their genders. Japan was influenced by west (u.s) and become gay and depressed people relies heavily on tech. Somehow it still depends on different scenarios if Japan bully Russia and provoke them to attack, Russia would get its citizens support which is likely be better becuz unity is what makes a country strong. If Russia would just attack for self-interest it will likely not be successful due to dissociation unless they use nukes and wipe the entire Japan.
這取決于戰斗的意愿。盡管日本是GDP最高的國家之一，也是技術最先進的國家之一，但很多人低估了俄羅斯，認為俄羅斯的技術已經過時20到30年了，但這完全不是事實。記住1942年的德國和1939年的日本低估了俄羅斯，看看他們發生了什么。在俄羅斯，小學生已經被教育和訓練如何處理槍支和軍事用品，而西方卻忙于識別人們的性別。日本受到西方（美國）的影響，人們成為同性戀者和抑郁癥患者，嚴重地依賴科技。在某種程度上，（戰爭的勝負）還取決于不同的場景，如果日本欺負俄羅斯，激起俄羅斯的攻擊，俄羅斯將更好地得到民眾的支持，因為團結就會造就一個強大的國家。如果俄羅斯只是為了自身利益而攻擊日本，那么由于（俄羅斯內部的）分裂，它很可能不會成功，除非他們使用核武器，消滅整個日本。
日中朝露友好
日本的核武裝、彈道導彈部署，以及擁有軍隊，是有必要的。
This is pure bs, Japan can easily overpower Russia even China if it was able to Rebuild its Military Forces since WWII.
這是純粹的胡扯，日本可以輕易地打敗俄羅斯，甚至是中國，如果它能夠重建起自二戰以來的軍事力量的話。
還是不要打日本吧，日本的愛情動作片全球第一啊。
I'm sorry to say this but even with the better gpd and naval power that Japan has they would still lose ultimately, if Russia truly went genocidal (that mean no care about war crimes) then Japan will suffer the horror sooner or later. Japan is suffering from a very big issue when it comes to land power this including the very small amount of machinery and the very defanged people and their air force is still not good enough as what other make it seem. Them simply going to production mode won't be enough in time unfortunately.
我很抱歉這么說，但即使日本擁有更好的gdp和海軍力量，他們最終還是會輸，如果俄羅斯真的進行種族滅絕（這意味著不在乎戰爭罪行），那么日本遲早會遭受恐怖（災難）。在陸地力量方面，日本正面臨著一個非常大的問題，包括非常少的機器裝備，以及非常沒有武裝的人民，他們的空軍仍然不夠好。不幸的是，他們僅僅進入生產模式是不夠的。
If history holds any lessons it would be Russian forces who would prevail
如果說歷史有什么教訓的話，那就是俄羅斯軍隊會占上風。
Russia WILL use nuclear weapons
俄羅斯將使用核武器.
And the US carrier battle fleet home-ported in Japan would not intervene? Or the US aircraft bases on Okinawa and Guam would not intervene? A very silly scenario! Quite dumb and unrealistic.
在日本本土的美國航母戰斗艦隊不干涉嗎？或者美國在沖繩和關島的飛機基地不會介入？一個非常愚蠢的場景！相當愚蠢和不切實際。
There is NO way Russia could take Japan unless it used Nukes.
俄羅斯不可能拿下日本，除非它使用核武器。
the russian navy in the pacific fleet is pretty powerful. it will not be a rehash of 1905. also russia has pleanty of missles that could wreck japanese infustructure. also the russian air force will be able to get air superiority very quickly and if they bring in tu95s and tu160s then japan will reccive daily bombing raids until it capitulates to russian terms.
俄羅斯海軍在太平洋的艦隊相當強大，它不會是1905年（日俄戰爭）的翻版。此外，俄羅斯擁有大量的導彈，可以摧毀日本的基礎設施。還有，俄羅斯空軍將能夠非常迅速地獲得空中優勢，如果他們讓圖95和圖160加入戰場，那么日本每天都會受到轟炸，直到日本向俄羅斯投降為止。
What are you talking about???
你在說什么？
No no no...one nuke and the war is over.
不不不，一枚核彈，戰爭就結束了。
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In the case of a Japanese attack on Russia, the retreat of Russian forces within 6-8 days looks more realistic, after which within 2-4 months Japan will be bombed into the Stone Age with medium-and longer-range missiles and the loss of Hokkaido within 6 months of fighting. After that, Japan will capitulate due to the loss of 40% of the fleet, 30% of the loss of aircraft and 60% of warehouses, military bases, airfields and command centers. Industrial production and energy will also roll back to the beginning of the 20th century.
在日本進攻俄羅斯的情況下，俄羅斯軍隊在6到8天內撤退看起來更現實，之后在2到4個月內，日本將被中程和遠程導彈轟炸到石器時代，并在6個月內丟失北海道。在那之后，日本將會投降，因為他們損失了40%的艦隊，30%的飛機，以及60%的軍火庫、軍事基地、機場和指揮中心。工業生產和能源（生產）也將倒退到20世紀初。
Japan has fighter jets with AESA radar
Japan has an aircraft carrier with 5 gen jet
Russia has none of them
日本擁有配備有源相控陣雷達的戰斗機，
日本有一艘搭載5代噴氣戰斗機的航空母艦，
俄羅斯沒有這些。
Japan is really strong but don't stand a chance against Russia. ???
日本真的很強大，但跟俄羅斯比起來，根本沒得比。
Funny video :)
有趣的視頻。
Nope. They couldn’t handle Japan before WWII and won’t today.
（如果俄羅斯想的話，俄羅斯的軍隊能拿下日本嗎？）不能！二戰前他們對付不了日本，今天也不行。
Russia has nukes. Japan doesn't.
And this is where America becomes involved. America promised Japan it would be it's battle buddy if attacked.
America would provide arms and equipment to Japan. America has several bases in Japan.
Too much death and destruction for so little gain. "The only way to win is not to play." (War Games)
俄羅斯有核武器，日本沒有。
這就是美國參與進來的（原因），美國向日本承諾，如果日本受到攻擊，美國將成為它的戰斗伙伴。
美國將向日本提供武器和裝備。美國在日本有幾個基地。
太多的死亡和破壞，能換來的收獲卻很少。戰爭游戲中，“贏的唯一方法，就是不玩?！?
Russia would take over Japan in weeks
俄羅斯將在幾周內接管日本。
We could take some Japanese islands and Russian land territory after both of them suffer great loss???
在日本和俄羅斯遭受巨大損失后，我們可以奪取一些日本的島嶼和俄羅斯的領土。
The real winner . America
真正的贏家——美國。
.You do know Russia only has a population of 147 million people and a economy (GDP) below Brazil. Japan's GDP is 3 times that of Russia.
Without nukes Russia is not a world player anymore.
你知道俄羅斯只有1.47億人口，經濟規模（GDP）低于巴西，日本的GDP是俄羅斯的3倍。
沒有了核武器，俄羅斯就不再是世界玩家了。
Everyone is entitled to their opinion mine is Russia would win hands down
每個人都有自己的觀點，我認為俄羅斯會輕易獲勝。
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Japan has a very decent navy and air force they could use at its fullest to defend. Ofc russia has numerical superiority on paper but their forces are spread everywhere
日本擁有非常優秀的海軍和空軍，他們可以充分利用它們來保衛自己。當然俄羅斯在紙面上有數量優勢，但他們的軍隊分布在各個地方。
Russo-Japanese War 2.0
日俄戰爭2.0版本。
When was the last time Russia won a naval battle?
俄羅斯上一次贏得海戰是什么時候？
That assumes the Japanese can't retool its industry to a war footing. Japan is one of the most technologically advanced industrial powers in the world. The biggest issue would be maintaining a blockade on Japan to prevent it from using that technological and industrial base to create the systems needed to fight Russia. The key is preventing those raw materials from getting to Japan in the first place. That would be tricky without creating an international incident that draws countries like China or the US into the war.
這是假設日本無法將其工業重新轉換到戰時狀態。日本是世界上技術最先進的工業強國之一。（俄羅斯）最大的問題將是維持對日本的封鎖，以防止日本利用其技術和工業基礎來創建對抗俄羅斯所需的系統。關鍵首先要阻止這些原材料進入日本。在不引發國際事件、將中國或美國等國卷入戰爭的情況下，這將是很棘手的。
Russia would win and occupy in 180 days
俄國將在180天內獲勝并占領日本。
Russia dont ever atac Japan, because of USA protection .
因為美國的保護，俄羅斯從來沒有攻擊過日本。
Japan would Release The Kraken!
日本會釋放海怪!
Japan asked if Russia wanna reenactment of Tsushima strait
日本問俄羅斯：你是否想重現對馬海峽（的慘?。?？
We need to give Japan cruise missiles to protect Manga and anime
我們需要給日本巡航導彈，來保護漫畫和動漫。
just 1000 nuclear weapons,ask japan surrender or disappear?
只要1000枚核武器就可以了，問問日本，是投降還是消失？
Japan's best weapon to beat Russia is called America ???????????????
日本打敗俄羅斯的最佳武器是美國。
In the short term I believe Russia could occupy some northern islands of Japan, in the long term Japanese economy and industries will out-produce Russia's by a very large margin and producing much better quality equipments
短期內，我相信俄羅斯可以占領日本的一些北部島嶼，長期來看，日本經濟和工業的產量將大大超過俄羅斯，生產出質量更好的設備.
People love Japan. Russia attacking Japan would make them the bad guys of the world. I would hope that European fleets would even move in to support Japan.
I think the lack of Russian naval power seriously cripples their capabilities of attacking Japan.
人們喜歡日本。俄羅斯進攻日本，會讓俄羅斯成為世界上的壞人。我甚至希望歐洲艦隊能夠加入支援日本。
我認為俄羅斯海軍力量的缺乏，嚴重削弱了他們攻擊日本的能力。
Yes Russia can easily defeat japan
是的，俄羅斯可以輕易打敗日本。
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Russia wins easy
俄羅斯會很容易地贏。
Every citizen in Japan would fight to the death. Russia would go bankrupt
日本的每個公民都會戰斗到死，俄羅斯將會破產！
Russia have some nice missiles, but thats pretty much it.
They are badly outmatched when it comes to airforce, navy and army, in quality... they may have the numbers tho.
俄羅斯有一些不錯的導彈，但也僅此而已。
他們的空軍、海軍和陸軍在質量上遠遠落后。不過，他們可能有數量優勢。
4 countries you never try to invade and occupy: US, Russia, Japan, and Vietnam
Especially Vietnam
你永遠不會試圖入侵和占領的4個國家：美國、俄羅斯、日本和越南
特別是越南。
I think we already know the answer to this from the outcome of the Russo-Japanese war in 1904-1905.
我想我們已經從1904-1905年日俄戰爭的結果中知道了答案。
"Could Russian military take Japan if it wanted to"? Are you kidding they couldn't even take Afghanistan from a bunch of Cavemen.
“如果俄羅斯想的話，它的軍隊能拿下日本嗎？”你在開玩笑嗎？他們連從一群洞穴人手里奪走阿富汗都做不到。
If Russia use nuclear weapons ofcourse Russia!
如果俄羅斯使用核武器，那當然是俄羅斯贏！
Russia’s geography has always forced it to focus on heavily on ground forces to defend it’s territory. Outside of a few decades during the Soviet era, force projection has never been their strong suit.
俄羅斯的地理位置一直迫使它集中大量的地面部隊來保衛自己的領土。除了蘇聯時期的幾十年之外，武力投射從來都不是他們的強項。
Interesting
有趣！
Japanese industry could easily switch to a war production mode and out produce Russia. On the other side, I am quite sure the Russians would eliminate the Japanese satellites.
日本工業可以很容易地切換到戰時生產模式，超過俄羅斯（的生產）。另一方面，我很確定俄國人會消滅日本的衛星。
Will it end up like 1905?
它會像1905年那樣結束嗎？
I don't think that Japan would ever attack Russia It would be a big mistake and I'll get nuked again this time by Russia
我不認為日本會攻擊俄羅斯，這將是一個大錯誤，我（們）將再次被核攻擊——這一次是俄羅斯。
As a P5 of the Security Council, Russia should not invade Japan. Just leave it to North Korea. Kim Jong Un's smile and the Taepodong missile blast will sink the Japanese island.
作為安理會常任理事國，俄羅斯不應該入侵日本。把它留給朝鮮吧。金正恩的微笑和大浦洞導彈將擊沉日本島嶼。
The Russian government should return Japan's territory to Japan.
俄羅斯政府應該把日本的領土還給日本。
Warning: do not look at the comment section, it's full of braindead idiots.
警告：不要看評論區，里面全是沒腦的白癡。
Japan would use Gundams.
日本會使用高達。
SHIROBAKO555 極
差不多該把北方領土還給我們了吧！我知道北方領土對俄羅斯來說很重要，但這對日本也很重要。
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Japan is really screwed. It should remove all it's military restrictions if it wants to survive.
日本真的完蛋了，如果它想生存下去，就應該取消所有的軍事限制。
This makes me realize how ridiculous it is that we’ve left Japan essentially demilitarized for so long. With China rising and Russia restless I can see the need for a massive expansion to the Japanese military.
這讓我意識到，我們讓日本這么長時間都處于非軍事化狀態是多么荒謬。隨著中國的崛起和俄羅斯的不安分，我可以看到日本軍隊大規模擴張的必要性。
If its 1 vs 1 then I'd favor Russia. Although they'll have suffered heavy casualty.
如果是1比1，我更傾向于俄羅斯獲勝。盡管他們會遭受重大傷亡。
The title implies that Russia are the agressors, yet Japan start the war with a pre-emptive strike on key unprepared Russian assets?
標題暗示俄羅斯是侵略者，而（視頻）卻以日本先發制人打擊俄羅斯的關鍵資產開始戰爭？
hey idiot! russian are a peacful country, they just deffend their motherland and help others
嘿白癡！俄羅斯是一個和平的國家，他們只會保衛自己的國家，以及幫助其他人。
Russia anti ship missiles capabilities was never taken into account
俄羅斯的反艦導彈能力從未被考慮在內。
The fact is even the Americans could not take Japan in WWII without tremendously bloody losses. That is why they resorted to nukes.
事實上，即使是美國人，在二戰中也無法在不遭受巨大流血損失的情況下拿下日本。這就是他們訴諸核武器的原因。
Japan beat Russia before and the will do it again.
日本以前打敗過俄羅斯，他們還會再這樣做。
Japan ?????? is powerful
日本是強大的!
World GDP Ranking:
United States (GDP: 20.49 trillion)
China (GDP: 13.4 trillion)
Japan: (GDP: 4.97 trillion)
Germany: (GDP: 4.00 trillion)
United Kingdom: (GDP: 2.83 trillion)
France: (GDP: 2.78 trillion)
India: (GDP: 2.72 trillion)
Italy: (GDP: 2.07 trillion)
Brazil: (GDP: 1.87 trillion)
Canada: (GDP: 1.71 trillion)
....looks like Brazil would have a shot at it
世界GDP排名：
美國（國內生產總值：20.49萬億美元）
中國（國內生產總值：13.4萬億美元）
日本（國內生產總值：4.97萬億美元）
德國（國內生產總值：4.00萬億美元）
英國（國內生產總值：2.83萬億美元）
法國（國內生產總值：2.78萬億美元）
印度（國內生產總值：2.72萬億美元）
意大利（國內生產總值：2.07萬億美元）
巴西（國內生產總值：1.87萬億美元）
加拿大（國內生產總值：1.71萬億美元）
........看來巴西也可以試試看。
LOL, RUSSIA can destroy JAPAN even from a distance !!!
哈哈，俄羅斯甚至可以從遠處摧毀日本!
Let's be real though, Japan has no stand off weapons, Russia would be taking each island one by one with no possibility of retaliation once all their supply and the lines are destroyed. Remember, Japan has NO natural resources even to defend their country and their MIC is pretty much non existent compared to Russia.
讓我們面對現實吧，日本沒有防御武器，一旦所有的供給和防線被摧毀，俄羅斯將一個接一個地占領每個島嶼，沒有任何報復（反擊）的可能性。記住，日本沒有自然資源來保衛自己的國家，與俄羅斯相比，他們的軍隊也幾乎不存在。
But the U.S. would come to Japan’s rescue!
但美國會來拯救日本！