網友討論：伊隆·馬斯克解釋為什么印度的新計劃出奇的愚蠢
Elon Musk Explains Why India''s New Plan is Bizarrely Stupid
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Nitin Gadkari, India's transport minister, stated on October 8 at a climate action forum that he had requested Tesla not to sell China-made electric vehicles in the nation. He instead wants the now-Texas-based automaker to "produce cars in India, sell in India, and export from India."
印度交通部長尼廷·加德卡里 10月8日在一個氣候行動論壇上表示，他已要求特斯拉不要在印度銷售中國制造的電動車。相反，他希望這家總部位于美國德克薩斯州的汽車制造商“在印度生產汽車，在印度銷售，然后從印度出口?！?br>原創翻譯：龍騰網 http://www.mmg13444.com 轉載請注明出處
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If India was smart they would GIVE Tesla free land to build the factory. That might entice them to put in an India Gigafactory. They are so heavily populated that it can only be a win.
如果印度聰明的話，他們會給特斯拉免費的土地建工廠。這可能會吸引他們在印度建立一個超級工廠。他們人口如此之多，這只會是一場勝利。
Let's Go Brandon !
我們走布蘭登?。?*喬拜登?。?
the thing is what you said is right but you left other main part, that India want tesla to build car in India so they can get benefits, but Tesla wants people to import it's cars, other reason tesla cars is produced in China right now in Asia, we don't want to buy made in china tesla, so the tariff you are seeing right now is because of geopolitics, Tesla also wants to make much profits from India but Tesla wants to export car from china, that's why. Nitin Gadkari said that we will provide govt. support for tesla if they build factories here.
你說的是對的，但你遺漏了另一個重點，也就是印度希望特斯拉在印度造車，這樣他們也能得到利潤，但特斯拉希望人們進口它的車，另一個原因是特斯拉現在在亞洲的中國造車，而我們不想買中國造的特斯拉車，所以目前的關稅是因為地緣政治，特斯拉也想從印度賺取利潤，但特斯拉希望從中國把車出口到印度，這就是原因。尼廷加德卡里說，如果他們在印度建廠，我們會為特斯拉提供政府支持。
Telsa should build the India factory on old oil tanker ships. If the India government does not cooperate, Telsa should move the factory to a more friendly country.
特斯拉應該在舊油輪上建造這個印度工廠。如果印度政府不合作，特斯拉就應該把這個工廠搬到一個更友好的國家。
Building cars on a moving/floating carrier is a very interesting idea.
在移動/漂浮的航母上造汽車是一個非常有趣的想法。
Deliver as you build ?
Hard to get resorses on board and power is a problem at sea.
造好就交貨？
在船上很難得到資源，而且在海上能源也是個問題。
@Jim Thunda we need nuclear power or obtain power from sea waves. We can design stops to replenish parts and materials. Just an imagination, haha.
@Jim Thunda 我們需要核能或者從海浪中獲取能量。我們可以設計補料架來補充零件和材料。只是一種想象，哈哈。
@G Syn I
Yes you do have a vivid imagination.
I hope you don't believe in Santa Claus too.
I believe in having as little as possible, I'm free.
l'm also totally self reliant living in the Australian bush on my own with a mobile phone l was given to keep a look out on a property.
Monks are also free, they have nothing but they live in a group.
@G Syn I
是的，你確實有豐富的想象力。
我希望你不會相信圣誕老人也存在。
我相信擁有的越少，生活越好，我是自由的。
我也是完全自力更生的，一個人住在澳大利亞的叢林里，我有一個手機，別人給我的，在外出的時候可以用來查看房子。
修道士也是自由的，他們一無所有，但他們一群人生活。
No! Fuck tesla walked prevented diabetes
不！去他媽的特斯拉，走路可以防止糖尿病。
Rofl you are in our country, you will follow our rules or you can sod off.
在我們國家就要遵守我們的規定，要不就滾蛋。
2021 India is nothing and hopeless already. China superior Asian country.
Steve jobs and Elon musk is smart doing business with China. Feel pity for India .
2021年，印度什么都不是，已經失去希望了。中國是個更優越的亞洲國家。
史蒂夫·喬布斯和埃隆·馬斯克與中國做生意很聰明。我同情印度。
@Eshwara Shawn
China is about to go broke, it bit off more than it could chew.
@Eshwara Shawn
中國即將OX，它貪多嚼不爛。
I don't know why I watch these videos on Tesla. I couldn't even afford the insurance
我不知道我為什么要看這些關于特斯拉的視頻。我連保險都買不起。
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Most of singapore investment to india got screwed by india goverment. Besides, income per capita is low. Not a good market or trustable partner there.
新加坡對印度的大部分投資都被印度政府搞砸了。此外，印度的人均收入也很低。這不是一個好的市場或值得信賴的合作伙伴。
I don't think it's a good idea to invest in India. It's kind of an unstable country. I mean small investment is ok, but investing big is taking too much risk in my opinion.
我不認為在印度投資是個好主意。這是一個不怎么穩定的國家。我的意思是小的投資是可以的，但是在我看來，大的投資風險太大。
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Yeah, India is a "unstable country", tells much about your world view and car markets.
是的，印度是一個“不穩定的國家”，這在很大程度上反映了你對世界和汽車市場的看法。
How is India unstable?
印度怎么會不穩定?
in india people cant afford expensive cars majority go on cheap 2 wheeel bikes under 1500usd coz that wat they can afford. including myself. duh!
在印度，人們買不起昂貴的汽車，大多數人都騎著價格不到1500美元的廉價兩輪車，因為他們買得起。包括我自己。額!
This Indian minister must not forget that providing 24 hours per day power to each residential power bill payer for running refrigeration unit is above providing power to charge EV battery. Indian government must provide each tax and bill paying resident 24 hours per day of power, internet and smartphone signal to minimize the need to travel by doing most of the tasks online-covid pandemic has shown how many tasks can be done online without travelling. Indian people must maximize the use of bicycles for road travelling instead of maximizing the import bills on crude oil, natural gas, coal and lithium & Dutch people or Netherlands even in 2021 uses bicycles extensively for road travel. Distances in Indian cities where most of Indian population has got concentrated, are not big like USA and one can easily ride bicycle for at least 10km per day. Indian government must not act as a sales representative of OPEC cartel, lithium mine owners, coal mine owners & auto-makers. Indian government must not use shield of EV launching to cover up its failures in reducing traffic jams, reducing wastage of fuel, and not putting control on population.
這位印度部長不應該忘記，為每個居民提供24小時的電力，保證冰箱的運行，要比為電動車的電池充電更重要。印度政府必須為每個納稅和支付賬單的居民提供24小時的電力、互聯網和智能手機信號，以最大限度地減少出行的需要，通過在線完成大部分工作，新冠疫情表明，有很多工作任務可以在不出行的情況下在線完成。印度人必須最大限度地在公路出行中使用自行車，而不是最大限度地增加原油、天然氣、煤炭和鋰的進口費用。荷蘭人甚至在2021年也在公路出行中廣泛使用自行車。集中了印度大部分人口的城市距離不像美國那么遠，每天騎自行車至少10公里也很容易。印度政府不能充當歐佩克、鋰礦所有者、煤礦所有者和汽車制造商的銷售代表。印度政府不應該用推出電動車的做法，來掩蓋其在減少交通擁堵、減少燃料浪費、不控制人口方面的失敗。
Elon is correct, high import tariffs ignores the reality "India doesn't make everything". Tesla already has invested in parts suppliers all over the world, so there is no logical reason to build the same parts factories again so they can assemble cars in India. Economists have been warning India for years, heavy handed import tariffs can lead to a stagnant manufacturing sector.
埃隆是對的，印度高昂的進口關稅忽視了“印度不能制造一切”的現實。特斯拉已經在世界各地投資了零部件供應商，所以沒有理由為了在印度組裝汽車，再修建同樣的零部件工廠。經濟學家多年來一直警告印度，高額的進口關稅可能會導致制造業停滯。
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Well every nation has its own priorities, and real economist have been warning India of its trade deficits. Their are Japanese, German and India's own car manufacturers who have set up the whole supply chain and management here in India. If Tesla wants market access to one of the fastest large automobile markets, it can do the same . Indians already have EV cars options available, question is does Tesla have the same?
嗯，每個國家都有自己的優先事項，真正的經濟學家一直在警告印度的貿易赤字。印度有日本、德國和印度自己的汽車制造商，他們在印度建立了整個供應鏈和管理。如果特斯拉想進入這個發展最快的大型汽車市場，它也可以這樣做。印度人可以選擇其他電動車，問題是特斯拉也有同樣的選擇嗎?
Tesla doesn’t know if it’s cars will sell in India. Currently, how big is the market for vehicles in Tesla price class? Can the electrical grid support EVs? Probably not.
特斯拉不知道它的汽車能否在印度銷售。目前，與特斯拉價格水平相同的汽車的市場規模有多大?印度的電網能支持電動車嗎?可能不行。
Tesla should make a factory in India, because the infrastructure they lack will be jump started by it.
India’s young ppl are very enthusiastic to go electric. They just need that boost in the arm.
特斯拉應該在印度建廠，因為他們缺乏的基礎設施將由此啟動。
印度的年輕人非常熱衷于開電動車。他們只需要一劑強心針。
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Are the enthusiastic youth wealthy enough to buy? How well has other foreign companies done in India. Does bleed money there for a decade before pulling out.
熱情的年輕人有錢買東西嗎?其他外國公司在印度的表現如何?他們已經虧損10年了，然后撤出了印度市場。
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India has a huge population, but the market size is very limited. The manufacturing workforce is also doubtful.
印度人口眾多，但市場規模非常有限。制造業的勞動力也令人懷疑。
Market size is gigantic and thats why Tesla could not ignore India. MUSK is too intelligent man and a hard bargainer. He will find his match in India. India now is vibrant and many ideas are been tried out and next decade you will find a TESLA KILLER from India. MUSK knows this and of course he will surely make a better product. That way the entire World will profit.
印度的市場規模巨大，這就是特斯拉不能忽視印度的原因。馬斯克是一個過于聰明的人，也是一個強硬的討價還價者。他將在印度找到對手。印度現在是充滿活力的，很多想法都經過了試驗，未來十年印度將出現一家特斯拉的克星。馬斯克知道這一點，當然他肯定會制造出更好的產品。這樣整個世界都會受益。
盡管這似乎是個問題，但印度可以產生完整的市場經驗，只有特斯拉這樣的聰明公司才能生存，而且他們為印度提供的解決方案可以適用于全世界。
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印度的勞動力是世界級的。特斯拉已經雇傭了很多人，很快也會得到同樣的好處。
印度不可能為一家公司降低關稅，特斯拉將找到解決方案，并已經在努力。
歡迎特斯拉在印度領土上，全世界都將受益。
70 worker in Tesla is Indian
特斯拉有70個印度工人。
@ppp sss "and next decade you will find a TESLA KILLER from India" TOTAL BS! If you think that Indian companies will be anywhere NEAR Tesla in ten years then I want to know what you're smoking. The reality is that Indian companies might be able to COPY Tesla...one day.
@ppp sss “10年內印度將出現一家特斯拉的克星”完全是胡扯！如果你認為印度公司會在10年內接近特斯拉，那我想知道你究竟有幾個菜。事實是，印度公司或許能夠復制特斯拉……將來吧。
India don't even have the technology
Toilet seat and even don't have Indian mobile phone
印度根本沒有這種技術，
也沒有馬桶蓋，甚至連印度自己的手機都沒有。
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India - is acting against themselves. They can require a plan to fully auto - make the cars in india, but right now what is gonna buildup their electrical infurstructure, the answer is electrical cars. Thus india needs to pemit him, to first- initiate building electrical cars else were, importing to india, without a tarrif. This will in a few year, pemit companies to rise up, with charging stations, and by next 1 or so years, then the factory will be fully ready to build in india, and supply for india. But they cannot do it in the order they are setting. it is gonna hurt the indian people. Thus, he needs to be able to import from other factories, for a few years. This, will massivly buildup their ev station value, and be ready for indian manufactured teslas. To have a factory built, and eve stations - Because you cannot import, will create a bottle neck for the consumer, Indian consumer, and will make progress and quality for the Indian people deteriate. Thus, india is not wrong about what it wants, but in a newly developed field, they need to give a 5 year margin- adaptaion - to buildup this new industry, before stipulating it's maunfactoring inside the country itself. thus, india and elon are not wrong. It just means they need to re-set the order of thing. #1. india gets electric cars, from imports, without tariff, for 1-3 years. This will make value for upcoming ev stations, builtup the marketing for esla vehicles, as he begins the manufacturing setup, for build in and Manufactured, only in india- Simply put - india needs to realize it is going overboard to protect somthing it does not have, thus should permit a 1-3 year period, for the market to be built up - and thus result in indian manufactoring boom, then it should proceed to further protect the newly built industry, but they need to let elon do he's magic, and actually build a market first, if india Really wants, the best outcome for it's people.
印度在自己給自己找別扭。他們可以提出一個讓特斯拉完全在印度制造汽車的計劃，但現在什么東西才能推動他們的電力基礎設施建設，答案是電動車。因此，印度需要允許他首先開始生產電動車，然后進口到印度，不征收關稅。這將讓相關公司還有充電站在幾年內崛起，并再過1年左右，然后印度才能為建造印度的特斯拉工廠做好充分準備，并為印度供應電動車。但印度無法按照自己設定的順序來執行。因此，在接下來的幾年里，馬斯克需要從其他國家的工廠進口產品。這將大幅提升印度的電動車充電站的價值，并為印度制造的特斯拉做好準備。要想建起工廠，建起充電站——因為這東西不能進口，會給印度消費者造成瓶頸，會讓印度人民的進步和質量惡化。因此，印度想要什么并沒有錯，但在一個新發展的領域，他們需要給一個5年的保證期限——加以適應——才能建設這個新的產業，然后才能要求它在國內制造。因此，印度和埃隆馬斯克都沒有錯。這只是意味著他們需要重新設定這件事的順序。第一階段，印度要以進口的方式，獲得電動車，沒有關稅，該階段持續1-3年。這將為即將誕生的充電站制造價值，為特斯拉車打造市場，因為他開始了市場的建立，為在印度制造和只在印度制造打好基礎——簡單的說，印度需要意識到，它應該解除對于電動車市場的過度保護，因為印度并沒有這種市場，所以應該允許1-3年的期限，讓這個市場建立起來——進而讓印度的相關制造業爆發，然后它應該繼續保護這個新建立的行業，但他們需要讓埃隆施展他的魔法，并首先建立一個市場，如果印度真的想要，這才是對它的人民最好的結果。
Vova Luke.
The Indian government is protecting the elite that are heavily invested in all aspects of manufacturing in India.
And a lot of the elite are politicians, they would cut their own throat, if Indian vehicle manufacturers can't keep up with technology or change for the benefit of the planet then that's India's problem.
That country is too overpopulated for its own good, that's why they immigrate, to make room for more deformed and idiot people that worship cows instead of eating them.
印度政府正在保護在印度制造業各方面大量投資的精英。
很多精英都是政客，如果印度汽車制造商不能跟上技術的發展，或者不能為了地球的利益而改變，那就是印度的問題。
那個國家的人口太多了，這是他們對外移民的原因，為更多崇拜牛而不是吃牛的畸形和愚蠢的人騰出空間。
@Jim Thunda Hey JIM THUNDA.. As much as I try to see logic in your comments, I see that you are a disgruntled person and make sweeping remarks on others. Worshipping Cows is a way of saving the world by many ways. And Indians know from many centuries. You seem you belong to USA and see how your "Eating Cows" resulted in Freak Weathers due to green house gases etc., Polar Vortex, Hurricanes and Twisters and many Freak Hot Weather patterns started damaging already and they increase further in future and you are doomed. Even if you are from EUROPE, you are doomed and see how Floods caused Havoc. So much so for your ignorance and cow eating habits. Your ancestors were in such a wretched conditions who could not survive without eating cows. Indians evolved very much and known the benefits of protecting cows.
@Jim Thunda 嘿，盡管我試圖在你的評論中看到邏輯，但我發覺你是一個心懷不滿的人，喜歡對人進行過于籠統的評判。崇拜牛是一種可以從很多方面拯救世界的做法。印度人從幾個世紀前就知道了。你似乎是美國人，看看你的“吃?！笔侨绾螌е掠捎跍厥覛怏w等造成的反常天氣的，極地渦旋、颶風和龍卷風和許多反常的炎熱天氣模式已經開始造成破壞，它們在未來進一步增加，你們注定完蛋了，看看洪水造成了多大的浩劫。即使你來自歐洲，你們也注定完蛋了，要看洪水造成了多大的浩劫。你的無知和吃牛的習慣適可而止吧。而你的祖先生活在十分惡劣的條件下，不吃牛是無法生存的。印度人則進化了很多，知道保護牛的好處。
至于特斯拉，盡管它是一家偉大的公司，產品也很好，但它應該融入印度。印度要求在本國生產特斯拉汽車，才能獲得關稅優惠。即使特斯拉無法做到這一點，印度汽車制造商也在加油，并生產許多適應印度的車型。更重要的是，為了改造，印度制造商也在開發許多電動車的轉換套件，這可能會引發新的范式轉變，讓印度制造商抓住在其他國家沒有抓住的機會。我們為什么要買新車?我們將把現有的汽車改造成電動車，從而獲得優勢。這樣的模式就是特斯拉的克星……緩慢而堅定……因此，特斯拉也希望在印度采用他們的模式，以免這個新模式在全世界變得過于明顯。
Good Luck to you
繼續觀察吧，現在你用卑鄙的方式詆毀牛，將來你會為自己的愚蠢而感到詫異并被逗笑。
祝你好運
@vova luke the problem with your analysis is that it would take 5 years for India to get EV transition. But Indians already have EVs made within their own country alongside a huge investment of supply chain systems set up by Indian manufacturers. Giving Tesla free market access is like shooting your own foot.
@vova luke 你分析的問題是，印度需要5年才能實現電動車轉型。但印度人已經在自己的國家制造了電動車，同時還投資了印度制造商建立的巨大供應鏈系統。讓特斯拉自由進入市場無異于自掘墳墓。
India does not have a bargaining power to dictate what Tesla should and should not do. India's demand is politically stupid.
印度沒有討價還價的能力來決定特斯拉應該做什么，不應該做什么。印度的要求在政治上是愚蠢的。
Okay, so one of the fastest and potentially biggest future car market has no bargaining power. Yeah, it's politically stupid idea of ensuring EV car manufacturing within its borders is paying dividends already as Tesla or not Indians already have EV options and they are getting more affordable to its consumers whilst creating jobs.
好吧，所以印度作為發展最快、潛力最大的未來汽車市場之一，在你看來竟然沒有議價能力。是啊，印度保護其境內的電動車制造——他們已經產生效益——在政治上是愚蠢的想法，然而不管有沒有特斯拉，印度人已經有了其他的電動車可以選擇，消費者越來越買得起，同時創造了就業機會。
@ApoorV DesaI india is growing market? Lol, Indonesia is more suitable for tesla than india
@ApoorV DesaI 印度是日益增長的市場？哈哈，印尼比印度更適合特斯拉。
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@Manish Gurung okay then, statistics are stupid for you, and let Tesla ignore India and lose a potential market. It is not as if India is losing anything due to this decision.
@Manish Gurung 好吧，那你覺得統計數據是傻的嗎？那就讓特斯拉無視印度，失去一個潛力十足的市場吧。印度又不會因為這個決定掉一塊肉。